Optometrist confirmed

I put it off till I had basically a 2 diopter improvement, so fair game in my book to wait for the same gap :joy:. It was so nerve wrecking… and then it all worked out fine, and was super validating. So totally go… eventually, but no reason to rush :grinning:

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Indeed, and it doesn’t much matter whom you thank for that. This is great confirmation, and very inspiring to all on this EM journey.

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Inspiring gains @Reannon!

The background story is excellent. What I find of interest is that wearing close-work glasses didn’t lead to blur adoption.

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Surprise, surprise! :wink: Is it possible that blur adaptation is a bit of a bogey-man?

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I personally don’t really believe in the theory of blur adaptation. I think it is more similar to just ignoring noise, similarly we learn to ignore the blur (maybe). But, if we want to consciously see it, we can.

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Maybe misperceived. Blur adaptation clarification

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So happy and excited for you! Its amazing and certainly a great motivation for all of us. I havent gotten myself checkef yet, im also a bit scarred about the possible results… i might try a new optometrist first and then go to my old one :slight_smile:

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Even if it is a real thing, you’re getting plenty of clarity reference at near work if you do much near work. She was also still wearing “driving glasses”.

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By rights I should have been horrifically blur adapted. My “driving glasses” gave me a reference for sure, but I loath driving and generally only do it two days a week (a whole 4 miles round trip). Originally, as I gathered I would only be able to active focus if I wasn’t blur adapted, but I think I misunderstood it altogether. So yeah, I expect I was highly blur tolerant (term corrected for you @Ursa) but I was always conscious of the blur and found myself often taking stock of it, add to that my eyes were already sorting it out; and they closed the remaining gap so fast after I found EM! All told I would have done things differently (and probably be further along) if I’d have done it Jake’s way in the first place, I just didn’t know… :confused: my only goal then was to have less headaches, I couldn’t have conceived of anything else, the idea of vision improvement had not seated itself as a real thing until much later. It is a terrible shame that actually finding EM is such a haphazard thing.

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We couldn’t be more different. I drive minimum 30,000 miles per year. It’s my distance vision, music listening, relaxing time.

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Not for me, I’m a homebody, and if I do go anywhere I prefer my husband plays chauffeur :joy:. Plus I get much better active focus time when I can just ride.

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I re-watched a video of yours were you talked about your daughter getting new glasses that she didn’t wear. How is her vision now, if you don’t mind me asking.

I got in 135 miles on the motorcycle today and probably 80 in the work van. It was a good day. Very little close vision until now.

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She basically quit glasses at that point, only wears a 20/40 normalized to watch tv (an hour and a half daily at most) and see the board at school (before the shutdown). She drastically slowed her progression; but I do worry about her developing mind not having enough clarity… but then I remember how many stories I have heard of people who refused to wear their glasses as kids and let her go. Currently we are at the same place (-3) I figure at some point she will decide she is sick of the blur and do something about it. She is getting good habits for breaks, but she still loves so many close up activities… but there are outdoor activities that challenge her vision too that she love (chasing butterflies is her favorite) she is getting AF when it suits her too, and I am confident she will reclaim her vision when she is ready. In the meantime she celebrates my milestones wholeheartedly, she is my own little cheerleader :slight_smile:

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Sounds like she’s in good hands. At least you’ve got things figured out and can help when she’s ready to start making changes. Stopping the myopia progression should be easy now.

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Yup that’s my bad. Back when the term came to be, didn’t do due diligence to see whether it was used in a different context. :speak_no_evil:

In more than a few cases people who are “used to living in blur” don’t get / use active focus as an automatic habit to clear up blur, tend to not make improvements, and then we get to hear how the method doesn’t work. It’s just one of the troubleshooting points when somebody says, “but no gainz!”.

It’s not. Just a reality when you end up dealing with enough people, eventually figuring out what’s preventing some of them from making improvements. If you specifically haven’t had an issue with it, great for you.

For those who are long term undercorrected and get super frustrated about not being able to get results, it’s a very useful discovery.

Well done. Good job also not expecting more from them, like for example wanting to know how the ‘condition’ they’re meant to ‘treat’ has actually improved. Seems that would be fascinating and amazing and giving them hope and inspiration … no? :joy:

It’s for sure a bit of a gamble. Going to the same optometrist can sometimes be good since it’s likely the same environment - on the other hand sometimes they just put in your previous values at a starting point and won’t go down from there. :thinking:

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It was a gamble but it worked out, and it was so worth seeing his reaction! He really didn’t seem to know what to make of it :joy: but to his credit he took the data at face value and went with it, even if he couldn’t sort it out.
I feel like it added credibility to my results too, that it was the same Dr. And credibility was what I was after. You can’t prove to people that your glasses are a certain strength, and that you are seeing better with lower correction without that third party. But I get why so many people opt to go to a new one every time, it was nerve wrecking knowing he very well might just slap the old script up there. I might well have thrown up on him if he had though :joy::joy::joy:

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Fair enough, but it also saddens me when I see people increasing their correction first because blur tolerance must be preventing them from improving. From my very blur tolerant point of view, I can see clarity addiction to be as much of an obstacle to improvement as blur tolerance can be.

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[Comment withdrawn.] Almost fell for the standard always-contradict-Jake-trolling.

That is nasty. You can call me a noisy black swan if you like, but I will not be called a troll.

I agree! Well put.